Poe or ignorant christian fundie?

Recently I have come across two examples of christian fundamentalism that show such a lack of ignorance and bigotry that it is hard to believe they are serious, and not a Poe (or parody).

The first, is a question posted on Yahoo Answers (unfortunately it has since been deleted, so this link is to the google cache):

How can I get my son’s atheist teacher fired?
This ***** is corrupting the student’s minds with evolution nonsense and that homosexualists are “normal” and “completely moral”.
How can I get her fired in a “legitimate way”?
I think she might be seducing my son (if you know what I mean).

First I would like to make two comments, that are not really in support of this person, but could possibly make some of her hatred understandable (not acceptable though).
If this teacher REALLY is trying to seduce her son, the teacher should not only be fired, but prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I seriously doubt this is the case, but who knows.
As well, if the teacher is talking about evolution is let’s say a math class, that might be construed as inappropriate. I assume the teacher is a science teacher, but there is not enough information to be certain.

Now I won’t go into all of the problems I have with this person, because I think it’s quite obvious and would give more credibility to the arguments which I don’t believe they deserve. But I will say, that on a very positive note, as of when I read the comments (and there were 40+), every single comments was supportive of the teacher, and critical of the poster.


The second example is from a letter written to “Dear Margo”, which seems to be a lesser known “Dear Abbey” type of deal:

Dear Margo: Our daughter started college a year ago, and we’ve noticed during her visits home that she’s not the sweet, innocent girl we sent away for higher learning. We raised her with strong Christian beliefs, but lately she’s saying that she’s joined an atheist club on campus and is questioning everything we taught her. Now my husband refuses to let her in the house and is threatening to turn her in to the FBI. I’ve tried to cure our daughter and reconcile with her, but nothing seems to work. I’ve prayed over her at night while she sleeps, enlisted friends in a phone prayer tree and even spoken to my priest about the possibility of an exorcism. I’m at my wits’ end. How can I recover my daughter and keep her from hell? — God-fearing

I first heard about this from The Good Atheist, and it made me absolutely livid (on a side note, if you don’t already listen, you should check out their podcast). The fact that some section of the public believe that you can call the FBI because somebody does not believe in their god is absolutely disgusting. The fact that they would be willing to use that as a threat against their own child, not due to their child committing any crime but for disagreeing with them, is not just sickening, but infuriating.

But it does have a positive ending. Margo, instead of avoiding a potentially divisive question, or instead of trying to appease the writer, was quite blunt, quite honest, quite rational, and quite intelligent.

Dear God: Whoa, dear. While I am sympathetic to anyone’s devotion to their religion, you need to realize that your daughter is a sentient being with the right to reject your religious views if she so chooses. Your husband is pathetically misguided if he thinks he can call the FBI to report the “crime” of your daughter joining an atheists club. Ditto for the exorcism. This young woman is not possessed, demonic or doing weird things; she is merely thinking and questioning the religion she grew up with. I would encourage you to understand that all people, your daughter included, have the right to think for themselves, particularly about something as meaningful as religion. As for hell, well, she appears willing to take her chances. — Margo, contemplatively

So I leave it to you… Are these people: Poe or ignorant christian fundie?

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About Rodibidably

Jeff Randall is a frequent volunteer for free-thought organizations, including the Center For Inquiry – DC. Having been blogging since January 2008, he decided that a community of bloggers would be an interesting new experience (or at the very least a fun way to annoy his friends into reading his posts more frequently). Since finding out about about the existence of, and then joining, the atheist/skeptic community in 2007 he has been committed to community activism, critical thinking in all aspects of life, science, reason, and a fostering a secular society.
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2 Responses to Poe or ignorant christian fundie?

  1. AV1 says:

    in regard to ” How can I get my son’s atheist teacher fired?”, all of evoloution is not nonsense when addressed in the proper context. as for the Homosexual life style this is an abomination to the Lord God. It should be noted the sin of Homosexuality is the abomination not the person commiting the sin. Homosexuality is neither normal or moral and children should not be taught otherwise. If the teacher fails to meet the standards set by the school board she should be held responsible for her actions.

    Regarding dear Margo when freedom from paents is first gained many teenagers go a different direction than their parents expect them to. Rather than building walls to keep their child out; the parents should be asking the child what the points of concern are. Parents should work to provide a solid foundation for the teenager to build on and then let them grow making the mistakes of youth. To threaten with being turned into the FBI is not an appropriate action for a parent to take. Continued prayer and proper gidence is needed here God is always faithtul.

    Both cases seem to be extreem on more than one level neither is a fundamentalist point of view. at the same time neither is poe. Both are confused all need to work on their personal relationship with the Lord God and work less on the religion

    • Rodibidably says:

      AV1,
      all of evoloution is not nonsense when addressed in the proper context
      I am curious what “context” you are referring to here.
      Evolution is more than “just a theory”, it is a proven fact based on the results of countless experiments and observations.
      If you are referring to “micro” vs “macro” evolution, then you are drastically misinformed on the true nature of evolution, and I can suggest some books and websites that can do a much better job of explaining the topic than I can.

      as for the Homosexual life style this is an abomination to the Lord God.
      So is eating shellfish. Have you ever enjoyed a lobster dinner?
      If homosexuality is such a sin, why did jebus never speak about the issue?
      Do you support killing disobedient children?
      Why is it that many christians pick and choose which passages of the bible they pay attention to and which ones to ignore?

      It should be noted the sin of Homosexuality is the abomination not the person commiting the sin.
      Well that makes a massive assumption, such as your interpretation of your particular holy book is the literal word of a deity despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

      Homosexuality is neither normal or moral and children should not be taught otherwise.
      Do you realize that we have observed homosexuality in thousands of different species of animals?
      For one small example, check out: https://potomac9499.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/homosexual-necrophilia-in-the-mallard-duck/

      If the teacher fails to meet the standards set by the school board she should be held responsible for her actions.
      While this is true, there is no indication in the original question that this teacher has failed to meet any standards. In fact the only thing that the question shows is the utter ignorance and bigotry of the author.

      Regarding dear Margo when freedom from paents is first gained many teenagers go a different direction than their parents expect them to. Rather than building walls to keep their child out; the parents should be asking the child what the points of concern are. Parents should work to provide a solid foundation for the teenager to build on and then let them grow making the mistakes of youth.
      I must say, surprisingly (based on your comments about the first one) I agree with everything you’ve said here (to this point).

      To threaten with being turned into the FBI is not an appropriate action for a parent to take.
      That is a massive understatement. But part of me actually thinks is would be good if the parents did, perhaps them being prosecuted for waste of government resources would be an eye-opening experience for the parents.

      Continued prayer
      Well since every scientific experiment ever done has shown prayer has no beneficial effect, I’m not sure how helpful that would be.

      and proper gidence is needed here
      Here I agree, but do you believe the type of person who wants to call the FBI on their child for becoming an atheist would be the type of person who would accept guidance?

      God is always faithtul.
      Well except when he kills countless humans. https://potomac9499.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/who-killed-more-people-in-the-bible-god-or-satan/

      Both cases seem to be extreem on more than one level
      That is a massive understatement…

      neither is a fundamentalist point of view.
      Actually both are quite obviously extreme fundamentalist points of view. Just as Fred Phelps is an extreme christian fundamentalist. Just because you don’t agree with them on all issues, does not mean that they are not part of the same “group” that other fundamentalist christians are. In much the same way that just because I don’t agree with all others who call themselves atheists, it does not mean they are not part of the same overall “group” as me.

      at the same time neither is poe.
      I tend to agree that neither one of them is a Poe, but I have been fooled before, so I’m not excluding the possibility.

      Both are confused
      Both believe they are parroting the word of god.

      all need to work on their personal relationship with the Lord God
      Just because something may work for you, does not mean that everybody needs your particular fiction in their lives.

      and work less on the religion
      And here we agree. Organized religion has quite a few issues that in the opinion of some (me included) put into question the whole concept.

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