Lynndie England is a complete douche

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6 Responses to Lynndie England is a complete douche

  1. Jack Ash says:

    Jesus that made my teeth hurt.

    It’s one thing is she was coerced into it all and fearful of her life and retribution. But I think the pictures, this interview, etc. pretty much shows she was willing. It sounds like she was too dumb to have intentionally directed it but it looks like others who were smarter had a very easy time of getting her to follow their illegal orders.

    ~JA

  2. Rodibidably says:

    While I don’t think it’s possible to exactly trace back specific deaths DIRECTLY to her, I think it’s fair to say that those pictures most certainly caused/provoked some number of attacked that would NOT have happened otherwise, and that she should hold the blame for some unknown number of deaths, of both US military, and Iraqi civilians.

    The estimates I have seen show her being responsible for anywhere from dozens at the low end to thousands at the high end, of deaths/murders in Iraq…

  3. b4dguy says:

    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that she was responsible for 500 deaths (250 ea. American/Iraqi). What then would you have done to her? Why?

  4. Rodibidably says:

    I think 3 years in jail is not nearly enough of a punishment for her treatment of prisoners of war.

    What she did was by ANY SANE DEFINITION of the word, torture, and she (and other, not just her) should have been tried for war crimes.

    If we torture prisoners during a time of war, how can we expect the other side NOT to do the same, and how can we have any moral ground on which to plea for leniency for our soldiers or to work towards the human rights of all people in every country.

    A country that commits murder (capitol punishment, “accidental” killing of prisoners, etc), torture (water boarding, Abu Ghraib, etc), and violates the Geneva Convention (holding prisoners in Guantanamo without charges or a trial) can not have ANY say on human rights in other countries such as China, Sudan, etc.

    I think the fitting punishment for EVERYBODY involved would be on par with what we would expect/want/demand of a country that did the same to our soldiers (which based on WWII would be 10-20 or more years).

    Even if she was responsible for ZERO deaths, she is still a criminal, who violated the rights of people by using torture. How many years do you think somebody would get in jail if they tortured dozens, or hundreds, of people? I’d guess a minimum of 5 years PER person.

  5. Darby Clash says:

    It’s well-established now that the prisoner abuse was authorised and encouraged from above…_way_ above. It’s good that L.E. and her chums were punished, since even a very bad man sitting in an office can’t do much harm if no-one does what he tells them to do, but it’s a damned shame that the people responsible for the worst of it got off scot-free, and can look forward to comfortable sinecures the rest of their lives.

    As for “this happens in war”, sure, it always will to some extent (yet another reason not to go to war unless you absolutely have to do), but part of a culture’s claim on being a better one is that it tries to minimise it, and definitely not try to use it as a tool of policy (a surpassingly dumb choice anyway).

  6. Rodibidably says:

    I’m in no way saying that others higher up than her were responsible, and vile in their own way, but she needs to take responsibility for her own actions, which in my mind would be significantly more jail time than she has done to this point.

    I see her comments as nothing more than self serving shit, and an attempt at justification, which should not be tolerated.

    As for those at the higher levels who authorized this, I think they are at least equally culpable and equally deserving of prison time. Although I am highly skeptical of this ever happening, since they are smart enough to have left themselves protected.

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